December 29, 2024
by Stephen Stofka
This is seventh in a series of debates on various issues. The debates are voiced by Abel, a Wilsonian with a faith that government can ameliorate social and economic injustices to improve society’s welfare, and Cain, who believes that individual autonomy, the free market and the price system promote the greatest good.
Wishing everyone a happy and flourishing New Year.
Abel opened the conversation. “I thought we might talk about immigration this week.”
Cain replied, “You mean illegal immigration.”
Abel said, “Our group doesn’t like calling people illegal. The only illegal act that many of these migrants have committed is crossing the border, a Section 1325 offense. That carries civil, not criminal, penalties.”
Cain shook his head. “You make it sound like a speeding ticket. If your group doesn’t like the term ‘illegal,’ we can refer to them as ‘illegitimate asylum seekers.’ Most of them are not fleeing persecution. They are jumping the immigration line. They are cheaters, taking advantage of the huge backlog in processing asylum claims.”
Abel shrugged. “Everybody cheats. Thousands of people and businesses fraudulently applied for Paycheck Protection checks during the pandemic. The bankers cheated the system and provoked the financial crisis that caused millions of Americans to lose their homes. Then the bankers claimed asylum from their own stupidity and recklessness and the government bailed them out.”
Cain’s expression was grim. “Our group did not approve of bailouts for bankers. It cost taxpayers billions, and they kept their bonuses. None were prosecuted under Obama’s watch.”
Abel argued, “No jail time for fat cats but your group wants to jail vulnerable migrants. Why don’t we put some of the migrants in the penthouses that the bankers bought with taxpayer money? Your group imagines a world where everyone plays by the rules. Like I said, everyone cheats.”
Cain shook his head. “They can wait in the immigration line like millions before them. Think of the people waiting in line outside of the U.S. for their immigration application to be processed. Illegals jump the line and claim asylum as they’ve been told to do by the cartels and coyotes. It’s an insult to those who are playing by the rules.”
Abel said, “Many recent immigrants have been coming from Venezuela. It is a failing state, ranked 28th out of 178 states. Nicaragua, Columbia and Honduras are ranked in the sixties, putting them in the top third of vulnerable states.”
Cain nodded. “So, some of the Central American countries are stressed. Their economy is poor. Maybe there is some gang activity. When Congress passed the asylum law in 1980, the basis for a refugee claim was fear of persecution because a person belonged to some group. Their race, religion, nationality or membership in a social group made them a target. A parent might be worried that a local gang will target her son or daughter. I sympathize but that is not grounds for an asylum claim.”
Abel said, “The U.S. has been an economic leader because of our openness to immigrants. The Census Bureau recently reported that 83% of the net increase in population came from immigration. Our population is getting older. We are having fewer children. Our economic stability depends on immigrants to expand our workforce.”
Cain said, “Look, I agree that immigrants may become net contributors to our society and economy. But that takes a long time. Newly arrived immigrants at the southern border have so many immediate needs. That includes housing, health care and other social services. The kids need education. They make huge demands on a community before they make any notable contribution.”
Abel argued, “Many Americans are descended from immigrants who came from similar circumstances. It takes a lot of desire and gumption to tear up roots and start over in a new country. America became the world’s leader by welcoming people like that.”
Cain shrugged. “No doubt it takes heart, but many of our ancestors came over when governments provided far fewer social services.”
Abel said, “Your group wants to keep a balance sheet for each immigrant. How many services do they use? What taxes do they pay? The sum of a person’s contributions and withdrawals from the community cannot be summed up so easily.”
Cain agreed, “The accounting is not perfect, I’ll admit, but policymakers need some concrete measures to evaluate the policies they implement.”
Abel argued, “Let’s go back to the peak years of European immigration in the late 19th century and early 20th century. Many of those immigrants were exploited by employers and landlords. In the late 19th century, Jacob Riis published pictures of the slum conditions in New York City. Immigrants lived in cramped conditions without proper water or sanitation. They worked in sweat shops and factories where they had few safety protections. Any ‘contributions’ they made to society were skimmed off by unscrupulous employers and landlords.”
Cain was adamant. “You think that kind of exploitation has stopped? Migrants working seasonal harvests under the H-2A visa program are often housed in accommodations with minimal standards. Their status affords them little bargaining power, so they are under the control of the subcontractor who employs them or the farmer that engages the subcontractor. Employers want cheap labor.”
Abel said, “Tighter borders controls in the past few decades have made it impractical for some seasonal workers to follow the harvests in Mexico and the U.S. They have stayed behind in the U.S., supporting their families in Mexico from afar. They pay taxes but are not entitled to retirement benefits even after twenty or thirty years of working in the U.S. If they are cheating the system, they are doing a terrible job. They are funding benefits to native Americans.”
Cain continued, “Your group advocates policies that only encourage labor exploitation, whether you mean to or not. Immigrants increase the supply of labor and lower wages for native Americans. It’s Econ 101. Supply and demand.”
Abel disagreed, “Lower wages would increase the supply of goods and lower prices. That’s also Econ 101. Immigrants increase demand for the very goods they help produce. That increases employment and reduces the unemployment rate for native workers with low-skills.”
Cain shook his head. “I disagree. At any rate, social services for illegal immigrants are costly. Sanctuary cities like Denver and New York City have discovered just how expensive and disruptive these immigrants can be. The mayors complained when Texas and Arizona sent them some of the thousands of immigrants that cross the border every day. Policymakers in those cities sure got a taste of the problems that border states are dealing with.”
Abel sighed, “It was a political stunt by Abbott, the governor of Texas.”
Cain replied, “Martin Luther leading a bunch of black people across the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Birmingham was also a ‘political stunt.’ A better word is ‘protest.’ Busing illegal immigrants to other cities was a legitimate form of protest for Texas and Arizona.”
Abel argued, “Citizens protesting government abuse is a protest. When one state uses people as a political hot potato with another state, that’s a stunt.”
Cain shook his head. “Texas and Arizona have long complained about federal immigration policy. All those words fell on deaf ears in Washington. Actions do speak louder than words. Liberal states like Colorado and New York woke up to the reality of immigration policy when they had to deal with the problem in a concrete way.”
Abel insisted, “States should be working their policy disagreements out in Congress. Abbott’s stunt was sophomoric and vindictive.”
Cain replied, “Congress has been at a stalemate for years. The states have to take matters into their own hands where and when they can. The immigration system has been broken for years because Congress wants it broken. A persistent problem gives politicians an issue they can campaign on. Why is the minimum wage not indexed to inflation? Because Congress wants to fight over it.”
Abel asked, “So what does your group propose? Close all the borders?”
Cain said, “This country was founded on federalism, a compact between the states. The border states should have more autonomy in border control.”
Abel scoffed. “That won’t work. Immigrants will go to the border state with the most relaxed controls. Once they are in the country, they can move to another border state.”
Cain shook his head. “Make it illegal. If California lets in an illegal, that person has to stay in California for five years or so.”
Abel sighed. “How will the states enforce that? Each state would have to implement border controls on each highway going into their state. It’s not practical. The only practical policy solution is a unified federal response from Congress.”
Cain said, “Then the problem will plague this country forever, particularly Texas, Arizona and California. Congress doesn’t compromise on a solution until it becomes a crisis.”
Abel said, “Now we are getting to the heart of the matter. The two parties have created a political system that cannot craft coherent policies to address our problems. Americans suffer. They get cynical. Only 60% vote in a Presidential election. Only 20% may vote in a primary. Most of them tune out of politics because it’s a maze with no exit.”
Cain’s tone was resolute. “Then we need to fundamentally alter our system. The states need to call for a Constitutional Convention and bypass this dysfunctional Congress.”
Abel said, “That movement grew in popularity during the 1960s and 1970s. It seems to be gaining popularity recently. Maybe that’s the only solution. I’m afraid the two-party system that cripples our policymaking today will subvert a convention.”
Cain turned to leave. “That’s a discussion for another day. In a first ‘past the post’ election system, two parties are inevitable. The convention would have to implement a Parliamentary system, I suppose.”
Abel waved. “See you next week.”
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Photo by Greg Bulla on Unsplash
Jacob Riis’ photos uncovered the abuses of immigrants in the Gilded Age. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jacob-Riis
The Census Bureau’s recent report on population growth. Most of the 1% increase in population came from immigration. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2024/population-estimates-international-migration.html
Many undocumented immigrants are not eligible for federal subsidy programs. A state may allow them to participate in a particular program administered by the state. https://www.nilc.org/resources/overview-immeligfedprograms/
In a 2015 analysis of 2000-2010 data, Andri Chassamboulli and Giovanni Peri found that “increasing deportation rates and tightening border control weakens low-skilled labor markets, increasing unemployment of native low-skilled workers.” The incoming administration assumes that the opposite is true, that tougher border policy will strengthen low-skilled labor markets. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1094202515000514
The New York Times related the stories of several aging farm workers. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/05/us/aging-undocumented-farmworkers.html
A Colorado Public Radio report on the difficulties and cost of treating newly arrived immigrants. https://www.cpr.org/2024/03/19/colorado-new-immigrant-population-adds-strain-to-hospital-system-already-stretched-thin/
An explainer of the H-2A worker program from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary-workers/h-2a-temporary-agricultural-workers
The Congressional Research Service investigated the mechanisms of calling a Constitutional Convention and a range of issues that the convention would debate. https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R42589/15